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Posted 21 December 2007 - 03:33 PM

This just in:

As of today, XOJet is no longer accepting pilot applications. At least per the site, "pilot" is no longer listed under "open positions."

Hope that will change again soon. Seems like a great company to work for!

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Posted 25 December 2007 - 05:51 PM

QUOTE (Flightbag @ Dec 18 2007, 12:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bumpandrun:

Are you saying that working for XOJet is paying your dues.

If so, where do you hope to end up?

Flightbag



Problem is, after 35 years in aviation, you are "always paying your dues" whenever you move to a new company. There is no such thing as starting at the top, or even the middle of a new company. All that your dues paying does in open the door a little wider for the next company.

Something that bugged me about XOJet was that you had to fill out a critique about the guy you flew with every time you ended a rotation. I didn't care for that aspect at all.

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Posted 30 December 2007 - 02:22 PM

QUOTE (Flightbag @ Dec 18 2007, 01:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bumpandrun:

Are you saying that working for XOJet is paying your dues.

If so, where do you hope to end up?

Flightbag



No, what I meant when I said that is that XOJet will probably have a hard time finding a position for a private pilot with 150 hours, and in order to be seriously considered for a job here you'll have to "pay your dues" and build your time, flight instructing, towing banners, flying jumpers, hauling freight, etc. I hope to retire at XOJet and have no plans to go anywhere else. I'm here to stay.
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Posted 30 December 2007 - 02:32 PM

QUOTE (won't fly for food @ Dec 25 2007, 06:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Problem is, after 35 years in aviation, you are "always paying your dues" whenever you move to a new company. There is no such thing as starting at the top, or even the middle of a new company. All that your dues paying does in open the door a little wider for the next company.

Something that bugged me about XOJet was that you had to fill out a critique about the guy you flew with every time you ended a rotation. I didn't care for that aspect at all.



I guess if you're always looking for another job, then you are always "paying your dues," like you said. If you've found the place you want to be, then, in my opinion, you're no longer "paying your dues," you're simply doing your job. When I flew cargo in North Dakota, sleeping in the crew lounge, eating peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and Ramen noodles, freezing my butt off fueling our own planes at the self-serve tank at 3am in February to save a buck, I consider that paying my dues. Doing more work than what I thought I was being paid for, and the trade-off being the flight time I was building. Gaining the experience I needed to land this job. I don't consider anything I do now at XOJet as paying for anything. The pay is generous, the rules and FAR's are strictly adhered to, and almost everyone I've met here seems really happy to be here.

As for filling out reports on other pilots, I haven't done that myself, but I imagine it's just a tool to keep everyone honest.
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Posted 30 December 2007 - 02:35 PM

QUOTE (ready2fly @ Dec 21 2007, 04:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This just in:

As of today, XOJet is no longer accepting pilot applications. At least per the site, "pilot" is no longer listed under "open positions."

Hope that will change again soon. Seems like a great company to work for!


Went on there today and it looks normal. Click on "Careers at XOJet," then "Pilot Positions," then "Pilot" (it's the only option), then "Apply for this position" at the bottom.

Good luck. We're all counting on you.
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Posted 04 January 2008 - 10:26 AM

QUOTE (bumpandrun @ Dec 30 2007, 03:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Went on there today and it looks normal. Click on "Careers at XOJet," then "Pilot Positions," then "Pilot" (it's the only option), then "Apply for this position" at the bottom.

Good luck. We're all counting on you.

Yeah, meant to update my post. The listing for "Pilot Positions" was off the site for two days only, then was back on.

Sorry for the Chicken Little act. biggrin.gif

As you were.
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Posted 09 January 2008 - 12:49 AM

QUOTE (bumpandrun @ Dec 30 2007, 02:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I guess if you're always looking for another job, then you are always "paying your dues," like you said. If you've found the place you want to be, then, in my opinion, you're no longer "paying your dues," you're simply doing your job. When I flew cargo in North Dakota, sleeping in the crew lounge, eating peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and Ramen noodles, freezing my butt off fueling our own planes at the self-serve tank at 3am in February to save a buck, I consider that paying my dues. Doing more work than what I thought I was being paid for, and the trade-off being the flight time I was building. Gaining the experience I needed to land this job. I don't consider anything I do now at XOJet as paying for anything. The pay is generous, the rules and FAR's are strictly adhered to, and almost everyone I've met here seems really happy to be here.

As for filling out reports on other pilots, I haven't done that myself, but I imagine it's just a tool to keep everyone honest.



With 4500 hours I'd say you are still relatively new in the industry. I applaude your hard work early in your career, but you have not worked in any one job for longer in aviation than 5 years I'd bet. Wait until you have worked for an organization for 18 years or more and been told good bye. I've got friends that are going through that right now. They are well qualified Gulfsteam pilots out there paying your dues again, not of your own free will. Their airplane moved and they were told move at your own expense and uproot your family or hit the street. Their kids are probably as old as you. Your youthful exuberance has not been tested by time and circumstances yet.

And, unless XOJet has raised their pay in the last 3 months it is anything but generous. Adequate, but not generous in a day when condos cost $250,000 and a house costs over $500k around XOJet's home base. Unless you came straight over from the freight job of course or a "frugal" owner operating on a shoe string it might seem generous. But, I digress....

We work in an industry that prefers a college degree, an ATP and jet time. All of which come at a sizable cost to each and every one of us. And yet we take jobs for commuters paying $25000 a year qualifying a family for food stamps. We build our time and refuel airplanes in February for $20 an hour. We fly $20m jets for some of the richest people in our society for peanuts because someone else who is willing to "pay their dues" will do it for less. (Find a lawyer or even an electrician who will do that.)

And here we are, after X number of years with a corporation you are out there paying your dues. As I said before, paying your dues will only open the next door a little wider for you. It will not guarantee you will be able to keep your same pay grade.

This industry isn't like the typical corporate job where you can move up when going to a new company. A Citation X type rating isn't meaningful to a company that operates Westwinds. Someone will still have to pay for your type rating if it's not you. You will have to "pay your dues" again in the form of lower pay or a commitment to the new company. You will not get a transfer to a new company that operates a GV unless you have some special talent they are in need of. Past performance does not help in upgrades around here as it does in the executive world. Your flight time and experience will be the thing that opens the door. It will not guarantees the same pay you had before. All your dues paying has done is opened the door.

So, I'll climb down off my soap box and go back to my job of 20 years that is paying me better than XOJet, but that I would be hard pressed to duplicate even after paying my aviation dues for the last 35 years.
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Posted 10 January 2008 - 09:32 PM

QUOTE (bumpandrun @ Dec 30 2007, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Went on there today and it looks normal. Click on "Careers at XOJet," then "Pilot Positions," then "Pilot" (it's the only option), then "Apply for this position" at the bottom.

Good luck. We're all counting on you.



Hey there Bumpandrun,

I hope your comment to me earlier in the thread didn't start anything crazy... =-) XO does look like a great place to work, and my decision to stay local while earning my ratings etc wasn't out of lack of interest in XOjet, but being closer to family, (especially with a 15 month old son) and a good job that gives me the flexibility to keep on with my training is too much of a benefit to pass up. I will follow up however and in time, I'll have the qualifications needed to get where I need to be!

Thanks for the encouragement and the "inside" perspective on what seems to be a very cool outfit!

Best Regards,

Charlie
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Posted 28 January 2008 - 07:36 PM

QUOTE (won't fly for food @ Jan 9 2008, 01:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
With 4500 hours I'd say you are still relatively new in the industry. I applaude your hard work early in your career, but you have not worked in any one job for longer in aviation than 5 years I'd bet. Wait until you have worked for an organization for 18 years or more and been told good bye. I've got friends that are going through that right now. They are well qualified Gulfsteam pilots out there paying your dues again, not of your own free will. Their airplane moved and they were told move at your own expense and uproot your family or hit the street. Their kids are probably as old as you. Your youthful exuberance has not been tested by time and circumstances yet.

And, unless XOJet has raised their pay in the last 3 months it is anything but generous. Adequate, but not generous in a day when condos cost $250,000 and a house costs over $500k around XOJet's home base. Unless you came straight over from the freight job of course or a "frugal" owner operating on a shoe string it might seem generous. But, I digress....

We work in an industry that prefers a college degree, an ATP and jet time. All of which come at a sizable cost to each and every one of us. And yet we take jobs for commuters paying $25000 a year qualifying a family for food stamps. We build our time and refuel airplanes in February for $20 an hour. We fly $20m jets for some of the richest people in our society for peanuts because someone else who is willing to "pay their dues" will do it for less. (Find a lawyer or even an electrician who will do that.)

And here we are, after X number of years with a corporation you are out there paying your dues. As I said before, paying your dues will only open the next door a little wider for you. It will not guarantee you will be able to keep your same pay grade.

This industry isn't like the typical corporate job where you can move up when going to a new company. A Citation X type rating isn't meaningful to a company that operates Westwinds. Someone will still have to pay for your type rating if it's not you. You will have to "pay your dues" again in the form of lower pay or a commitment to the new company. You will not get a transfer to a new company that operates a GV unless you have some special talent they are in need of. Past performance does not help in upgrades around here as it does in the executive world. Your flight time and experience will be the thing that opens the door. It will not guarantees the same pay you had before. All your dues paying has done is opened the door.

So, I'll climb down off my soap box and go back to my job of 20 years that is paying me better than XOJet, but that I would be hard pressed to duplicate even after paying my aviation dues for the last 35 years.


Won't Fly For Food, can you take some advice from a low-time pilot who hasn't been in the industry for 30 years, who only has one type-rating, who still enjoys payday and who's youthful exuberance has not been tested by time and circumstances yet? Lighten up, dude.


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Posted 30 January 2008 - 12:48 AM

QUOTE (bumpandrun @ Jan 28 2008, 07:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Won't Fly For Food, can you take some advice from a low-time pilot who hasn't been in the industry for 30 years, who only has one type-rating, who still enjoys payday and who's youthful exuberance has not been tested by time and circumstances yet? Lighten up, dude.



Sure. Good Luck and have a great career captain.

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