[Tony Anderson]

I currently have 450 hours total time, and I will be getting my CRJ-200 Type Rating soon. Then I will apply for the regional job.

Is this a good or bad idea?

Your suggestions are greatly appreciated.

[ElDuderino]

I currently have 450 hours total time, and I will be getting my CRJ-200 Type Rating soon. Then I will apply for the regional job.

Is this a good or bad idea?

Your suggestions are greatly appreciated.

Awful idea. Probably the worst idea I've heard in a while. I don't even know where to begin after the siezure thiat question put me in. Are you serious? Please post you are not.
#1 What is this going to help you accomplish?
Getting hired by a regional? Have a pulse, a functioning brainstem, and commercial rating to do that.
#2 You would get the rating what would you do with it? If you fly a Crj and upgrade you get the rating for free(actually you get paid to do it) because you earned it.
#3 Why wouldn't you spend $ on a type that might actually help your career(i.e. B737) instead of a lame regional aircraft? Go to Pinnacle if you want a career flying the crj. If you have bigger plans why pay for it.
#4 Who's bank account do you have access to without them knowing about it? If they knew they would tell you how stupid of an idea that it is.
#5 Why did you ever think about doing this?

If you were going to get a company car for free would you go buy the same car also?

[Tony Anderson]

I think I will take your advice.

The other day, I called Pam Am Academy for the cost of (initial) type rating; they told it cost $18k.

[bae125]

I currently have 450 hours total time, and I will be getting my CRJ-200 Type Rating soon. Then I will apply for the regional job.

Is this a good or bad idea?

Your suggestions are greatly appreciated.

Take this advice to heart--NEVER NEVER pay for your own type.

NEVER.

Good luck!

[wazzuflyer]

pay to play is BAD!!!! its like being a prostitute pilot (this came from one of my ground instructors in flight school. thought it was funny then and i still think so now)

dont do it!!! please please please!!!

[Bohica]

Awful idea. Probably the worst idea I've heard in a while. I don't even know where to begin after the siezure thiat question put me in. Are you serious? Please post you are not.
#1 What is this going to help you accomplish?
Getting hired by a regional? Have a pulse, a functioning brainstem, and commercial rating to do that.
#2 You would get the rating what would you do with it? If you fly a Crj and upgrade you get the rating for free(actually you get paid to do it) because you earned it.
#3 Why wouldn't you spend $ on a type that might actually help your career(i.e. B737) instead of a lame regional aircraft? Go to Pinnacle if you want a career flying the crj. If you have bigger plans why pay for it.
#4 Who's bank account do you have access to without them knowing about it? If they knew they would tell you how stupid of an idea that it is.
#5 Why did you ever think about doing this?

If you were going to get a company car for free would you go buy the same car also?

The only thing stupid is the poor SOB that has to fly next to you for more than 30 minutes. Personally I'd leave your *ss at the gate.

Instead of mocking the newest aviators about their career choices and financial advice, how about submitting a post that resembles a bit of tact? Your comment that someone’s idea is stupid is, well, childish. And calling the RJ lame? It is jet time and you sound a little left out. Are you, the glorious Saab driver, smug with your success? With your infinite wisdom do tell me, why are you still flying a turboprop at 4000 hours oh Captain?

My point is I don’t think your post to Tony is helpful to him in any way. While the airline industry reels from pilot shortages, Tony can easily find himself in training with a regional flying a ‘JET’ (yes, I know it hurts), and can be rewarded with a fast boot up the seniority list. The only thing I agree with you about is the type for the RJ. It is useless at such a low total time. But I am appalled in the manner in which you post. Grow up and do something helpful – the negative, immature, unprofessional whining is embarrassing and devastating for our industry.

[ElDuderino]

The only thing stupid is the poor SOB that has to fly next to you for more than 30 minutes. Personally I'd leave your *ss at the gate.

Instead of mocking the newest aviators about their career choices and financial advice, how about submitting a post that resembles a bit of tact? Your comment that someone’s idea is stupid is, well, childish. Contrary to what your kindergarden teacher told you there are stupid ideas and questions. And calling the RJ lame? It is. Its the down fall of the industry. When the majors let jet flying go away they created the sh@!ty pay and work rules we have now. "AND" isn't how we begin a sentence either. It is jet time and you sound a little left out. Right seat jet time is like having an arm grow out of my ass. I could hold jet captain and have a worse schedule, but 121 PIC is 121 PIC unless you have SJS. Also I like living in domicile. Are you, the glorious Saab driver, smug with your success? Do I seem smug with my success? I think I was just pointing out how some one can spend more money than they have to. With your infinite wisdom do tell me, why are you still flying a turboprop at 4000 hours oh Captain? It's called September 11th, door knob. Did you know about a big frenzy of hiring until the last year?See the definition of furlough. You don't just get time and transition to the majors. What do you do?

My point is I don’t think your post to Tony is helpful to him in any way. While the airline industry reels from pilot shortages, Tony can easily find himself in training with a regional flying a ‘JET’ (yes, I know it hurts), and can be rewarded with a fast boot up the seniority list. That he can't do anything with due to his low TT any way(see your own comment). The only thing I agree with you about is the type for the RJ. It is useless at such a low total time. But I am appalled in the manner in which you post. Grow up and do something helpful – the negative, immature, unprofessional whining is embarrassing and devastating for our industry. No, the fact that people are willing to fly jets for substandard pay and work rules is. Management wants to save a buck by out sourcing jet flying to the regionals and the unions won't scope it out for the majors is devastating. A post on the internet it not devastating

The fact that you are coming on here 2 months after this thread began to post this is appalling. You obviously have no clue about the industry. If you did you might provide real life examples from experience on here. Unless you have no experience to draw from.

[emeraldpilot]

Anybody ever wonder if people on these forums like "Bohica" actually are Airline management and make posts to keep pilot wages down?

[Steve428]

The only thing stupid is the poor SOB that has to fly next to you for more than 30 minutes. Personally I'd leave your *ss at the gate.

Instead of mocking the newest aviators about their career choices and financial advice, how about submitting a post that resembles a bit of tact? Your comment that someone’s idea is stupid is, well, childish. And calling the RJ lame? It is jet time and you sound a little left out. Are you, the glorious Saab driver, smug with your success? With your infinite wisdom do tell me, why are you still flying a turboprop at 4000 hours oh Captain?

My point is I don’t think your post to Tony is helpful to him in any way. While the airline industry reels from pilot shortages, Tony can easily find himself in training with a regional flying a ‘JET’ (yes, I know it hurts), and can be rewarded with a fast boot up the seniority list. The only thing I agree with you about is the type for the RJ. It is useless at such a low total time. But I am appalled in the manner in which you post. Grow up and do something helpful – the negative, immature, unprofessional whining is embarrassing and devastating for our industry.

You sound a bit smug yourself, eh? 'Knocking on turboprop drivers, and all. You do realize you may have been offending more than just the Saab driver when you made your comments, don't you? In the end, "PIC turbine" is "PIC turbine", whether you have props connected to those turbines, or not. It's looked at the same way when you go to look for your next job, anyway. I could give you plenty of examples of that being true. You must see the Q400 as being a pretty pathetic airplane, being that it has props and all, hugh?

This post has been edited by Steve428: 19 November 2007 - 02:09 PM

[ElDuderino]

Anybody ever wonder if people on these forums like "Bohica" actually are Airline management and make posts to keep pilot wages down?

No kidding. That or another bad case of Shiny Jet Syndrome.

[starvingpilot]

No kidding. That or another bad case of Shiny Jet Syndrome.

There goes ElDummo......Making friends again. Anyone taking his advice deserves to fail.

[ElDuderino]

There goes ElDummo......Making friends again. Anyone taking his advice deserves to fail.

Another kid just commenting about non thread related stuff.

[TWINSTAR]

I currently have 450 hours total time, and I will be getting my CRJ-200 Type Rating soon. Then I will apply for the regional job.

Is this a good or bad idea?

Your suggestions are greatly appreciated.

When I interviewed at the regional I am currently at the interviewer addressed all 10 of us interviewing that day and told us that the sim portion would be in a frasca 142. He asked if we had prepped for the sim, and what kind of prep we did. 9 of us prepped in the frasca. The interviewer asked the lone guy what he prepped in, he said: ' the rj full motion sim'. The interviewer asked how much that cost. '$600 an hour'. The interviewer: "what a waste!" About an hour later that kid was going home after failing the sim (he was the only one that failed the sim that day).

[Sheldon]

ATP SUCKS

I am been a resident of the U.S for 6 years now. I have a great job in corporate aviation. Pay my taxes, serve in the State Guard, etc. Today I call ATP flight school and inquire about the CRJ course so that I can try get an interview with Pinnacle. Well, since I am NOT a U.S. Citizen, they turned me away. I mean, why on earth would you turn away business. I have gone through all the TSA background checks, etc. With this program I would have been eligible to apply to Pinnacle with less hours if I did the CRJ course. Now I have to earn the 1000TT and 200 ME (not to sound selfish since others have had to do more time) time in order to be considered. I think it is not very professional to turn away 1000's of dollars worth of business and also damper the dreams of some who were hoping to get into the regionals sooner than later. Does anyone know if ATP and Pinnacle have sort of financial agreement where Pinnacle call potentials and push them towards ATP for kickbacks or vice versa? I know there is no gaurantees, but I figured what the heck?

Based on my experience, I will not recommend ATP flight school to anyone! Has anyone other that citizens of the U.S. experienced this too?


*Frustrated and curious*

This post has been edited by Sheldon: 20 March 2008 - 07:43 PM

[wildflyin]

ATP SUCKS

I am been a resident of the U.S for 6 years now. I have a great job in corporate aviation. Pay my taxes, serve in the State Guard, etc. Today I call ATP flight school and inquire about the CRJ course so that I can try get an interview with Pinnacle. Well, since I am NOT a U.S. Citizen, they turned me away. I mean, why on earth would you turn away business. I have gone through all the TSA background checks, etc. With this program I would have been eligible to apply to Pinnacle with less hours if I did the CRJ course. Now I have to earn the 1000TT and 200 ME (not to sound selfish since others have had to do more time) time in order to be considered. I think it is not very professional to turn away 1000's of dollars worth of business and also damper the dreams of some who were hoping to get into the regionals sooner than later. Does anyone know if ATP and Pinnacle have sort of financial agreement where Pinnacle call potentials and push them towards ATP for kickbacks or vice versa? I know there is no gaurantees, but I figured what the heck?

Based on my experience, I will not recommend ATP flight school to anyone! Has anyone other that citizens of the U.S. experienced this too?


*Frustrated and curious*

It's not a financial agreement between ATP and Pinnacle, it's just a hiring agreement for making it through their standardization course; this agreement exists between ATP and several other carriers. ATP puts you through the same paces you'll see in a regional interview if they use that simulator or something similiar. It's frustrating about the citizenship thing, but that's just their policy, as it is with several other flight schools. Have you looked into becoming a citizen? If you serve in the state guard your commanding officer can help guide you onto the fast track to getting your citizenship. I'm currently active duty Marine Corps, and I just helped one of my Marines with that recently. Getting your citizenship will help you with a lot of other things in life as well. Best of luck.

[cospilot]

I currently have 450 hours total time, and I will be getting my CRJ-200 Type Rating soon. Then I will apply for the regional job.

Is this a good or bad idea?

Your suggestions are greatly appreciated.

I can understand your thinking to get the most experience you can in order to get the coveted jet job, but let the company you work for pay for your training. You have put a lot of money into what you already have. Now is not the time to spend thousands of dollars on something an airline is going to pay you for. I recently wrote an article about this on my blog: http://tinyurl.com/8ggv54 ,which discusses affordable jet training.

The reason I wrote the article was because I noticed that companies LIKE PanAm Academy were offering these classes for horrendous amounts of money and it is wrong. They were also offering "airline placement" which is completely bogus. Read the article above before you spend any more money.

Good luck!

Jeff
Almost the Speed of Sound (http://www.flycrj.com)

This post has been edited by cospilot: 11 January 2009 - 07:19 PM

[pollopilot]

I think its a bad idea,

I was hired by a regional airline in mexico with only 230 hours total time, they paid for everything, full initial rating at bombardier
canada, the training was really easy, what I´m trying to tell you is that you don´t need 1000 hours to fly the plane, but the type rating
is not everything, you need to get actual time in the plane and the only way to do it, its by working at a regional airline.


I was upgraded as a captain of a CRJ.200 with only 1800 hours in only 2 years but that´s mexico.

I have friends that are flying AIRBUS 320 as a Pilot in Command with only 3000 hours total time

You need to be at the right place, at the right time, thats it.

[TxPilot0878]

Hey Guys,

There is not poor experience only piss poor attitudes. Props are for boats has always been a fun jab at the turboprop drivers in any case....unless of course you find yourself back in them due to economic hardships. IT IS CALLED COMARADERIE!!!! Congratulations to anyone that gets the chance to drive turbine prop or jet equipment.

All are welcome....the idiots, pricks, a**holes, burnt jerks all have a way of fading off in the sunset anyway! Did I think it was fair over a decade ago when I was driving a single engine lance around for Amerflight over the mountains at night in the terrible weather when all my buddies where flying brand new shiny jets.....ABSOLUTELY NOT!

I had a goal and now I am living it. Flying left seat in 3 engine Falcons and corporate CRJ's (the one time it pays off) for one of the best companies in the country. I love my QOL and I knew I had to fly crap to get here I WASN'T misled or mystified!

************DO NOT BECOME A PFT (PAY FOR TRAINING)************* It leaves a bad taste in peoples mouths. Guys that came from the dirt floor up are not impressed and really don't care knowing anything about you if you pay your way up the ladder. Buying a type rating at 450 hours isn't the most advisable next step. Decide what your goal in this industry is...figure out how to get there....and don't look back!

Don't screw people over and don't burn bridges and don't walk picket lines...but get that seniority number as quickly as possible at the company you want to retire at.

Best of luck,

TEX