[NewPilot]

Do the Major airlines hire prior Go Jet pilots??
I heard they don't. I DID hear that Go Jet has the fastest upgrade for regional airlines.[/color]

[wildflyin]

yeah, I heard that GoJets is a career ender. But that's hearsay, I don't know enough about it.

[ElDuderino]

Do the Major airlines hire prior Go Jet pilots??
I heard they don't. I DID hear that Go Jet has the fastest upgrade for regional airlines.[/color]

Yes they will hire GoJet people. Jet Blue and Sky Bus are perfect for them.

And its far from the fatest upgrade. Probably not even in the top 5.

[jetrjdriver]

yeah, I heard that GoJets is a career ender. But that's hearsay, I don't know enough about it.

Yeah, If you listen to people like "ElDuderino" and a few others on this web board that simply want to sturr-up things up and promote hostility against pilots, then yeah.. its a career ender!
But, if you are a reasonable person and look at just the facts, you will find out that it is not the end of your career. And most of all of these rumors and slandering are being put out there by the same old guys that are upset over something that is missing in their lives.

I have got to call my co-worker that left last week to Delta and tell him that his career is over. Ha, ha.
And he is just one of many that have and are leaving to the majors....

[wildflyin]

Yeah, If you listen to people like "ElDuderino" and a few others on this web board that simply want to sturr-up things up and promote hostility against pilots, then yeah.. its a career ender!
But, if you are a reasonable person and look at just the facts, you will find out that it is not the end of your career. And most of all of these rumors and slandering are being put out there by the same old guys that are upset over something that is missing in their lives.

I have got to call my co-worker that left last week to Delta and tell him that his career is over. Ha, ha.
And he is just one of many that have and are leaving to the majors....

Yeah, that's why i said it was hearsay and I don't know anything about it. The thought of making the wrong choice can be kind of scary, after spending that kind of money to train. But if this reaction is just coming from people not liking their low hour hiring, even the well known carriers like American Eagle are hiring people with under 300 hours. Either way, you still have to pass the airline training. I understand that GoJet operates without a pilot union, but so does Jet Blue and I (in my inexperienced years) haven't heard bad things about Jet Blue or ever heard of their pilots being kicked out of jumpseats. This is all very confusing. Just trying to steer myself in the right direction.

[jetrjdriver]

Yeah, that's why i said it was hearsay and I don't know anything about it. The thought of making the wrong choice can be kind of scary, after spending that kind of money to train. But if this reaction is just coming from people not liking their low hour hiring, even the well known carriers like American Eagle are hiring people with under 300 hours. Either way, you still have to pass the airline training. I understand that GoJet operates without a pilot union, but so does Jet Blue and I (in my inexperienced years) haven't heard bad things about Jet Blue or ever heard of their pilots being kicked out of jumpseats. This is all very confusing. Just trying to steer myself in the right direction.

GoJet Airlines is represented by the Teamsters Union for at least a year now. The airline is only two years old. It is not a bullet proof contract but not a bad first one.
Jet Blue has hired a few GoJet pilots as well as Skybus (last I heard). But in reference to the previous post from ElDurodno? I am still trying to figure out why that is a bad thing??
The best thing for you to do is get out and ask the questions from the RIGHT people about these airlines you are interested in. There is always going to be a group of people that want to bash others and cause turmoil between pilots. So, you have to take those comments with a grain of salt. Some people will never be happy with where the work. And they do not want anyone else to be happy where they work even if they have the opportunity to do the same.
So with that said, there will always be an underdog airline(job) or someone to pick on. But it may be the one thing that works for you. It all depends on what you want and your long term goals are. You can do what some on this web board are saying as go to a awesome regional airline such as: Comair, Horizon, or American Eagle and "stick it out like I have", "give me more senority" etc. All which are great airlines. However, the upgrade time is anywhere from 4 to 6 years+. Or you can choose a smaller or more of a underdog airline and upgrade 6 mons to 1 yr.
The choice is yours, I think the choice is a "no-brainer" for my situation and what I want from this industry. I don't kid myself. 99% of all pilots got into this to fly for the Majors and have a better living and lifestyle. It is tough as well to find that in the Majors now days, but it is still better and the Regionals will ALWAYS be dictated by what the majors do.
I hope this helps, good luck out there!

[TWINSTAR]

"give me more senority"

Notice that jetrjdriver is the only one on this forum campaigning for his airline. We aren't the ones who so desperately want new hires under us. Some of us work at an airline that does it's own talking, and doesn't need to trick people to get them in the door. (And by trick, I mean dangling a new rj7 in front of a kid with 300hrs, and not showing him the reality of what he is getting into). I REALLY don't care if people go to gojet or not. I know that most people are intelligent and would figure it out in the end. I just think that jetrjdriver is painting a super ideal picture of his airline, and all the newhires that go there just might not be as impressed with it as he is. Do some research on as many airlines as you can. They are not all equal. Upgrade time is very important, but look at other quality of life issues like type and variety of trips, pay, days off, bases, etc. My advice would be to try and talk to as many pilots as you can that have gone to the airlines you would like to apply to. Forums can be a good start, but you really don't know who any of these people really are. For example, I am certain that this jetrjdriver is some type of hr person at gojet, why else would he be lobbying for them so hard? I really like my airline, but I don't try and get everyone on board. I am not trying to start any fights, just presenting another opinion besides team gojet. The only thing I would like to change at my airline, is that not enough people are leaving (about 30 month). One other thing: being an all jet fleet is not necessarily a good thing. In fact, I consider it not as good. If you have an rj and a turboprop, there are usually a lot of guys that might not want to fly the turboprop, so upgrade will be quicker on it, plus 121 pic time is pretty much all equal. And it usually adds a few more domiciles, possibly eliminating the need to commute.

Maybe jetrjdriver could give an example of a standard 4 day trip as far as show/releasse time, pay, etc?



I would consider a VERY average 4 day trip:

show time: around 2pm
release time: around 4pm
pay: 20hrs
-legs each day (3/2/4/3)

[captemb145iad]

The reason behind the animosity over Go Jets stems from the fact that it was created as an alter ego company by the owner of Transstates Airlines to get around the American 70 seat Scope Clause. Even though the money to start the new venture came primarily from TSA whose pilots are represented by ALPA, Go-Jet flying was not initially offered to the TSA pilots, even though they have a scope clause that said that "all flying on behalf of THE COMPANY. . . .shall be performed under this labor agreement. . . Despite the fact that it was all the same people, officers, facilities etc. running the new venture, the fact that they had a different name and, oh yes, a their own web site, the Company prevailed in court when the pilots, through ALPA, fought the union certification saught by a handfull of Management Pilots (teamsters). The pilots then picketed at Uniteds' doorstep and the Company under duress from this pressure offered to extend Go Jets scope to them, if they would extend their current 8 year old contract for 2 years and furlough protected only the Go-Jets pilots. The TSA pilots, weary of flying under a contract that needed major surgury just to bring it to then contempory standards, rejected the offer by an overwhelming majority, as another step lower for the industry. Since every pilot group is beat up during negotiations and forced to the lowest common denominator (ie. low bidder), the subsequent move by Lo Jets err I mean Go Jets to a contract that does just that is viewed by anyone with any knowledge of the industry and a stake in the outcome with disdain.

Go Jets pilots are routinely denied the jumpseat by most ALPA carriers, to the extent that the Company had to give them a commuting clause, because their employees had trouble getting to work. Yet in contract negotiations the "Company" refuses to provide such amenities to Trans States pilots.

Currently, Go Jets is hiring and upgrading. Trans States is Furloughing and downgrading and headed straight into a Strike that will probably result in those who defend the industry from such shenanigans by Management paying for it with their jobs. That ALPA has given the Trans States Pilots a $2mil war chest to defend the bottom and Trans States Management is busy training management pilots while fuloughing and downgrading line pilots foretells where both sides see it headed.

Such is the breeding ground for an animosity that is likely to last for years. If getting in the jumpseat can be problematic for a Go Jets pilot, I imagine that any future interview board may have on it someone who remembers what it was really all about.

When the death bell tolls on the job I aspired to my whole life, and love dearly, don't ask for whom it tolls . . . .....

[johnnybravo]

yeah, I heard that GoJets is a career ender. But that's hearsay, I don't know enough about it.

Well if it's hearsay, I would be more than willing to take my chances seen that I haven't landed a paying job since getting my commercial multi. With the help of my brothers, I was able to build 700 plus hours in the Bahamas. But now they are employed with Bahamasair, flying dash 8-300s.

Now I am living in Georgia finding it very hard to find someone here to hire me. I'm being told that my hours are too low (from a guy that owns a charter company) or I need jet training (by Pinnacle). I am now thinking about doing the 737 training in the right seat to help boost my chances ($5000).

But I'm confused because a guy requested info. from some of you senior guys, who I respect to the fullest, but was bashed because of his desire to do the CRJ training. What can I do to get my career jump started; so I don't resort to getting a cdl and driving a semi like my uncle wants me to do? Is paying for my own training in the 737 such a bad idea.

P.S My brothers thought it was a dumb idea to pay for training. They say they will never do it....ever. But they both have more than 10,000 hours total time each.....so they can say that. What should I do......I would even take banner towing jobs right now if that's all that's available.